no config as yet

[vortexau]

Found out that Telstra had my line powered-up today!

Spent hours with the phones not working . . . turned out to be the Line-Filter I had fitted to the B-to-B Security Modem was disabling EVERYTHING in the house.

Never having been set-up on ADSL before; I just assumed that Telstra had my line dead while they worked!

Finally had the chance to try to set up at 11.00pm when I find the PPPoE Client (that I thought was the thing to use) did NOTHING useful. I've ONLY been using Debian fot two and a half months!!!

Now I've been searching the WEB back on DialUp for the last THREE Hours seeking useful information!

Basically I have to log-on as USER to use Mozilla but can change NO Files in /etc/ at that session.

---- Frustrated! How can I set-up the ADSL Modem while connected via DialUp?

[vortexau]

Well, I bit the bullet and got in a Technician on Friday morning.
Now its in the afternoon and I'm on ADSL!

Even the Tech just about used up his one hour alloted.
HE configured the system and then TRIED (several times) to configure the Modem (NetComm NB1300+4) without the new setting being retained.

A hunch hit me . . . he was using Konqueror and I voiced my concerns that it didn't have working Javascript, leaving the Submit button to do nothing!

A change to Opera and the Modem settings were installed! There was a bit more to it but that involved the actual mode that the modem was setup in. :cool:

[dysgust]

If you want to use PPPoE (much better in my opinion) you will need to to put your modem into bridge mode. Then you run adsl-setup and the rest is simple.

Depends on if your modem supports bridging though. I've seen a DLINK that claimed to support it but it blatantly didn't! Decided to work after a mysterious firmware upgrade. So it can be iffy, they just assume you'll use the auth features of the modem itself (for average joe user).

With PPPoE, you can then host services directly from the linux box without the annoyance of port redirections. You can also remotely log into your box and setup a watertight ipchains firewall amongst other things. I highly recommend it if you are wanting to learn more about linux.

Dys

[vortexau]

Originally posted by dysgust
If you want to use PPPoE (much better in my opinion) you will need to to put your modem into bridge mode. Then you run adsl-setup and the rest is simple.

Depends on if your modem supports bridging though. I've seen a DLINK that claimed to support it but it blatantly didn't! Decided to work after a mysterious firmware upgrade. So it can be iffy, they just assume you'll use the auth features of the modem itself (for average joe user).

With PPPoE, you can then host services directly from the linux box without the annoyance of port redirections. You can also remotely log into your box and setup a watertight ipchains firewall amongst other things. I highly recommend it if you are wanting to learn more about linux.

Dys
PPPoE is about my ONLY option with Debian GNU/Linux on PPC.

I think the tech did try settingup the NB1300+4 in that very way! I know that he then SetUp some ipchains firewall; but it was all over my head! I only have 2.5 months "experience" in Linux. :confused:

[dysgust]

http://www.netcomm.com.au/Spec_Sheets/NB1300_adsl_info.pdf

If that's your modem, it should be more than capable. If you intend to use your linux box as a router then you need 2 ethernet cards in it. If it's stand alone, you only need one.

Make sure your ethernet device is up :

ifconfig

If you see an eth0, you're in business. Connect the card to the modem via a standard ethernet cable (not x-over), put it in bridge mode. I dunno how without looking, but it should be a simple setting changing it from a router to a bridge in the web interface. Run adsl-setup, answer the questions, and you should be going.

If you wanna see if there is anything out beyond your modem you can run :

pppoe -A -I eth0 (presuming eth0 is connected to your modem)

You should see something like this if it's all go:

Access-Concentrator: ncb1-chatswood
Got a cookie: f4 99 7f 85 53 7e f0 91 bb 99 a4 dd c3 cc b8 59
AC-Ethernet-Address: 00:90:1a:40:30:47
--------------------------------------------------

There isn't much to it really. Happy to keep helping if you wanna give it a go and have any questions.

Cheers,
Dys

[vortexau]

Originally posted by dysgust
http://www.netcomm.com.au/Spec_Sheets/NB1300_adsl_info.pdf

If that's your modem, it should be more than capable. If you intend to use your linux box as a router then you need 2 ethernet cards in it. If it's stand alone, you only need one.

Make sure your ethernet device is up :

ifconfig

If you see an eth0, you're in business. Connect the card to the modem via a standard ethernet cable (not x-over), put it in bridge mode. I dunno how without looking, but it should be a simple setting changing it from a router to a bridge in the web interface. Run adsl-setup, answer the questions, and you should be going.

If you wanna see if there is anything out beyond your modem you can run :

pppoe -A -I eth0 (presuming eth0 is connected to your modem)

You should see something like this if it's all go:

Access-Concentrator: ncb1-chatswood
Got a cookie: f4 99 7f 85 53 7e f0 91 bb 99 a4 dd c3 cc b8 59
AC-Ethernet-Address: 00:90:1a:40:30:47
--------------------------------------------------

There isn't much to it really. Happy to keep helping if you wanna give it a go and have any questions.

Cheers,
Dys
My motherboard (AmigaOneXE-G4) has a built-in 100/10 Ethernet controller, and the NB1300+4 is connected to its RJ45 Port. I'm accessing THIS VERY SITE via Swiftdsl.
I'm running this system as "Stand-alone", with the option to add to later; if so desired. I have an old HP NetServer 4d/66 LM sitting idle . . . the result from one of my visits to a Computer Scavenger whose ad I read in the W-E Classifieds.
-Diagram of this room-
http://home.iprimus.com.au/vortexau/images2/Room3.gif
result of ''ifconfig'-
"eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:D2:11:04:0E
inet addr:192.168.1.x Bcast:192.168.x.xxx Mask:255.255.xxx.x
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:2517 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2645 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
RX bytes:2108262 (2.0 MiB) TX bytes:451661 (441.0 KiB)
Interrupt:7 Base address:0x1000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.x.x.x Mask:255.x.x.x
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:108 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:108 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:7480 (7.3 KiB) TX bytes:7480 (7.3 KiB)"
THAT :D is supposed to be a colon+ a D!

result of 'pppoe -A -I eth0
pppoe: Timeout waiting for PADO packets
THIS Linux is still very new to me! :rolleyes:

[dysgust]

Did you put the ADSL modem/router into bridge mode?

Dys

P.S. Nifty Hardware :)

[vortexau]

To tell the truth, I am unsure WHAT mode the modem ended up in!
I've never performed any configuration of this type, and was happy
to leave it up to the tech: Rowland Mosbergen, who knows his way
around this sort of stuff; and Linux- that's for sure!

At the moment I'm wrestling with the problem of HOW to Upload my
Web Site to the designated area!

I'm there at the moment (with the URL & 'Parent directory' showing
as lines of text) but, unsure of what to do next!

[lazybeam]

Originally posted by vortexau
"eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:D2:11:04:0E
inet addr:192.168.1.x Bcast:192.168.x.xxx Mask:255.255.xxx.x
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:2517 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2645 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
RX bytes:2108262 (2.0 MiB) TX bytes:451661 (441.0 KiB)
Interrupt:7 Base address:0x1000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.x.x.x Mask:255.x.x.x
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:108 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:108 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:7480 (7.3 KiB) TX bytes:7480 (7.3 KiB)"

LOL What's so secretive about your loopback IP? 127.0.0.1? Mask 255.0.0.0? Even your LAN IP theres no real reason to x out the numbers. It's pretty obvious that it's 192.168.1.x (x=1 or 2) but then the mask really has to be 255.255.255.0 and the broadcast 192.168.1.255...

[vortexau]

That's force of habit! Since November 2000 I've been using 56K DialUp. Is it not clear that all-of-this is so new to me?

I've habitually deleted, or x'ed out, anything that had been Grabbed from a Lister on my system and that looked TOO revealing!

What's worse; to reveal TOO much, or to reveal TOO little? :confused:

[lazybeam]

Originally posted by vortexau
What's worse; to reveal TOO much, or to reveal TOO little? :confused:

Theres not much you can copy and paste and reveal too much. :) Even your internet IP shouldn't matter if its revealed, not like anyone really cares, and you'd have enough firewalling etc anyway for the random attack. :) I could even copy and paste most of my /etc/passwd file and theres not much use...

OK, it looks like your modem isn't in bridge mode; your linux box can't "see" the other machine that you log into. It depends if you want to sit behind the router (let the modem router do the PPPoE), or let the linux box do the PPPoE. Either way does work, but if you get the linux box to do the PPPoE it opens up new features (and new problems) that you can use.

(FWIW I use Internode which allows multiple concurrent PPPoE sessions and my Billion modem can do the NAT stuff and bridge at the same time. So I can allow others to use the net, as well have an unique IP. I'm not trolling Internode, just saying. I was thinking about applying with Swiftel when I move house, but that's now not going to happen for another 6 months so yeah...)

As to your website upload - you want to upload to your swiftel-provided space? Then you will need to use some sort of FTP. If you can handle the command-line, use that. But, I think Konqueror can handle FTP upload, then it should just be a matter of drag and drop.

PS about that :D thing, you can "disable smilies in this post" which will then not replace the colon and D with the :D pic.

[vortexau]

- Just a little update information -

Presently set as PPPoE LLC wan-type.

Have been able to UpLoad to my website-allocation via 'lukemftp'. The very first flies uploaded went outside the mkdir'ed html Directory, and will need to be deleted. As I post this; 22% of my allocation is filled and those astray-files count for over half of this-
(at the present) (http://home.iprimus.com.au/vortexau/images5/FTPsnap5.png)

My version of Konqueror presents a ID & Password dialog box, but fails after the correct details are entered-
(See Konqueror grab) (http://home.iprimus.com.au/vortexau/images5/FTPsnap6.png)

[onga]

Originally posted by vortexau
To tell the truth, I am unsure WHAT mode the modem ended up in!
I've never performed any configuration of this type, and was happy
to leave it up to the tech: Rowland Mosbergen, who knows his way
around this sort of stuff; and Linux- that's for sure!


As per your previous post, your ethernet card has the IP address:
inet addr:192.168.1.x Bcast:192.168.x.xxx Mask:255.255.xxx.x

192.168.1.is private LAN addressing. This is likely to of been allocated to your ethernet card automatically by the NB1300, or your techy has set the IP statically for you.

Either way, this will mean you are using the NB1300's NAT router feature, like most users of the NB1300. (ie NOT bridged mode).
Based on what you say about your linux experience etc, it's probably not worth your while changing it to bridge mode at this point. If it works for you and you are happy using it in it's current configuration then there's no real need for you to change it.

Basically whats happening here is your modem is handling the connecting and the routing and firewalling the internet for your PC (and others if you have a network setup).

However if you wanted to use bridge mode for a good reason (say to setup a firewalling box, a NAT with more specific rules than the nb1300 will allow, etc etc) then by all means change to bridge mode.

No offence meant, but it seems like at this stage you don't quite understand enough about ADSL Bridging, NAT, Networking and Linux, etc to have any good reason to use bridge mode, so I would just leave it until you do have a better understanding and/or learn from some HOWTO sites, or just don't worry about it :)

[vortexau]

Originally posted by onga

Based on what you say about your linux experience etc, it's probably not worth your while changing it to bridge mode at this point. If it works for you and you are happy using it in it's current configuration then there's no real need for you to change it.

Basically whats happening here is your modem is handling the connecting and the routing and firewalling the internet for your PC (and others if you have a network setup).
-{snip}-
No offence meant, but it seems like at this stage you don't quite understand enough about ADSL Bridging, NAT, Networking and Linux, etc to have any good reason to use bridge mode, so I would just leave it until you do have a better understanding and/or learn from some HOWTO sites, or just don't worry about it :)
:cool:
No offence taken -- there are other details of more concern for attention at present. Linux is more a stop-gap OS installation, and may be used (under Dual-boot) to provide missing application types when AmigaOS4 (the full-version; not the beta) is running successfully!

[onga]

Good stuff then :)

[dysgust]

On an unrelated note, hows that zany phone number treating you onga?

:)

Dys

[onga]

zany phone number?

04cu...... ?

[dysgust]

yep.. thats the one. :)

I was an oz.org #newcastler for a short time.. Same nick, but I'm forgetable.

Dys

[onga]

heh
no, I remember.

IT's um. fantastic.
Hasn't been turned on for .. a good year or so.