sending mail blocked

[ausdarren]

I am trying to run my own mail server.

and it works :-)

unless, i try to send the mail through swiftdsl's smtp server. when it rejects the domain as valid and the mail bounces

(sent via my dial up account with iprimus I recieve the mail no worries)

I am using a self set sub domain from myserver.org

can this be resolved?

thanks

Darren

[DSL_Tech]

Originally posted by ausdarren
unless, i try to send the mail through swiftdsl's smtp server. when it rejects the domain as valid and the mail bounces
I am using a self set sub domain from myserver.org

can this be resolved?


No, the swiftdsl smtp server is not intended as a relay host.

If you have your own server, then why not use that to send email direclty?

[ausdarren]

thanks for your reply, perhaps I should clarify

using outlook to send mail (outlook is configured under this account to use mail.swiftdsl.com.au as the smtp server)

mail to: user@lattas.myserver.org

bounces as the domain not recognised

using outlook again but on a different account
which uses the smtp server smtp.iprimus.com.au
to user@lattas.myserver.org
correctly sends and works (that is I actually recieve the email)

am I missing somthing?

also I still need to add my outgoing mail to the internet at some point.. so I point my server to send to mail.swiftdsl.com.au
I didn't think there are other points I could use (unless I am logged on through another isp) though once all my teething issues have gone I am expecting to drop my dial up account.

regards,

Darren

[DSL_Tech]

Originally posted by ausdarren
mail to: user@lattas.myserver.org


I just sent you an email from that server. Did you get it? I haven't seen a bounce yet.

If you have set up an smtp server, that server can send directly to any other server on the internet. That is, your server should be able to send a message to your swiftdsl.com.au email account, but if you try to send to user@lattas.myserver.org via the swiftdsl server it wont work.

[sl256]

Originally posted by DSL_Tech
.. but if you try to send to user@lattas.myserver.org via the swiftdsl server it wont work.
Why not?

Unless I'm thoroughly confused, it looks like a simple DNS issue, where Swiftel's DNS servers can't look up lattas.myserver.org for some reason.

[Sysadmin]

It's not a DNS problem, I can log into mail.swiftdsl.com.au and look up your domain without a problem.

You are allowed to relay via mail.swiftdsl.com.au, outgoing email should work fine if you do this.

If you are emailing yourself locally, then your mail server should deliver locally without relaying through mail.swiftdsl.com.au. Although even if you do still push local delivery through mail.swiftdsl.com.au, it should still work.

The above probably doesn't help very much. We'll need to take a look at the full headers in the bounces you're getting to work out where it's failing. Please forward a bounce including the full headers to support@swiftdsl.com.au.

[sl256]

Originally posted by Sysadmin
It's not a DNS problem, I can log into mail.swiftdsl.com.au and look up your domain without a problem.
Original poster said ".. mail to: user@lattas.myserver.org bounces as the domain not recognised ..", and you're saying that this isn't DNS related? :confused:

ausdarren, perhaps you should post the bounced message in question, which supposedly came back from Swiftel's mail server.

[Sysadmin]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. "Not recognised" isn't the same as "DNS lookup failed".

[sticky_chicken]

Original poster said ".. mail to: user@lattas.myserver.org bounces as the domain not recognised ..", and you're saying that this isn't DNS related? :confused:

ausdarren, perhaps you should post the bounced message in question, which supposedly came back from Swiftel's mail server.

Here's what my nameserver says:

sporran[~]dig any myserver.org mx
;; Warning, extra type option

; <<>> DiG 9.x.x <<>> any myserver.org mx
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 5066
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;myserver.org. IN MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
myserver.org. 15 IN MX 10 smartpop.myserver.org.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
myserver.org. 76445 IN NS ns2.myserver.org.
myserver.org. 76445 IN NS ns3.myserver.org.
myserver.org. 76445 IN NS home.myserver.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
smartpop.myserver.org. 15 IN A 66.185.162.27
ns2.myserver.org. 43200 IN A 68.15.30.144
ns3.myserver.org. 43200 IN A 66.185.162.21
home.myserver.org. 43200 IN A 66.185.162.20

;; Query time: 217 msec
;; SERVER: 218.214.0.xxx#53(218.214.0.xxx)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 24 14:23:18 2003
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 174

sporran[~]

; <<>> DiG 9.x.x <<>> any lattas.myserver.org mx
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 20548
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;lattas.myserver.org. IN MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
lattas.myserver.org. 15 IN MX 1 lattas.myserver.org.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
myserver.org. 76403 IN NS ns3.myserver.org.
myserver.org. 76403 IN NS home.myserver.org.
myserver.org. 76403 IN NS ns2.myserver.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
lattas.myserver.org. 15 IN A 218.214.18.165
ns2.myserver.org. 43200 IN A 68.15.30.144
ns3.myserver.org. 43200 IN A 66.185.162.21
home.myserver.org. 43200 IN A 66.185.162.20

;; Query time: 220 msec
;; SERVER: 218.214.0.xxx#53(218.214.0.xxx)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 24 14:24:00 2003
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 172

sporran[~]

It isn't a DNS issue.

Oddly enough, if I try to connect to lattas.myserver.org on port 25 or 110 I get:

sporran[~]telnet lattas.myserver.org 25
Trying 218.214.18.165...
telnet: connect to address 218.214.18.165: Connection refused
sporran[~]telnet lattas.myserver.org 110
Trying 218.214.18.165...
telnet: connect to address 218.214.18.165: Connection refused

[sl256]

Originally posted by sticky_chicken
Here's what my nameserver says:

sporran[~]dig any myserver.org mx
;; Warning, extra type option
That's what "your" nameserver says, I was specifically interested in what Swiftel's DNS server sees.

ie, the DNS server that mail.swiftel.com.au queries for DNS lookups.

Try the following DNS lookups and see what you get. This might be related to the original poster's problems.

dig @ns1.swiftel.com.au lattas.myserver.org any
dig @tld1.ultradns.net lattas.myserver.org any

[DSL_Tech]

from mail.swiftdsl.com.au:

# dig lattas.myserver.org

; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> lattas.myserver.org
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 59383
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;lattas.myserver.org. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
lattas.myserver.org. 15 IN A 218.214.18.1# dig lattas.myserver.org mx

; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> lattas.myserver.org mx
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 43126
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;lattas.myserver.org. IN MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
lattas.myserver.org. 15 IN MX 1 lattas.myserver.org.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
org. 97440 IN NS TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET.
org. 97440 IN NS TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. 107482 IN A 204.74.112.1
TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. 107348 IN A 204.74.113.1

;; Query time: 303 msec
;; SERVER: 202.154.92.35#53(202.154.92.35)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 24 13:48:05 2003
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 135


;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
org. 97494 IN NS TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET.
org. 97494 IN NS TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. 107536 IN A 204.74.112.1
TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. 107402 IN A 204.74.113.1

;; Query time: 483 msec
;; SERVER: 202.154.92.35#53(202.154.92.35)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 24 13:47:12 2003# dig myserver.org

; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> myserver.org
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 14932
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;myserver.org. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
myserver.org. 15 IN A 66.185.162.25

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
org. 97405 IN NS TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET.
org. 97405 IN NS TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. 107447 IN A 204.74.112.1
TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. 107313 IN A 204.74.113.1

;; Query time: 291 msec
;; SERVER: 202.154.92.35#53(202.154.92.35)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 24 13:48:40 2003
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 128


;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 135

[ausdarren]

I would like to express my warm and heartfelt thanks for those of you that took the time to reply. especially to sticky_chicken who showed me how to troubleshoot using telnet :-), and to SL256 who showed and interest, and to DSL_Tech and Sysadmin a huge vote of thanks, in all I am very happy with the service I have recieved from swiftel, there were several problems, and getting it all working was quite a challange while being and experienced net user, I have had no experiance at running servers, (or with broadband) and this showed. your replies gave me sufficiant insight to read (in the right places) the extra things I needed to know. I was trialing a self created (free) domain, before I outlayed the cash and registered a .com.au domain, I wanted to be sure it would work, and that I had the ability to sort it out and keep it up and running. without your help and pointers, I doubt I would have been able to do it.. thanks again